00:00.85
Andrew
Dude, your notifications are non-fucking-stop.

00:04.50
Sean
Yeah, they are. I know. It's terrible.

00:08.08
Andrew
Before you muted it, it was just like, what's... Your Slack noise is like a click clack. It's like a... Okay.

00:13.94
Sean
Yeah, the knock, the Slack knock.

00:15.92
Andrew
did it did

00:16.09
Sean
Yeah.

00:16.75
Andrew
okay I don't ever have noises turned on for anything. It drives me crazy.

00:22.67
Sean
Yeah, I mean, don't know. You used to it, I guess. What are you going to and You know what notifications does drive crazy?

00:27.94
Andrew
Sicko.

00:32.16
Sean
Messages. Yeah,

00:34.98
Andrew
Messages, like iMessage or like Facebook Messenger or...

00:36.68
Sean
yeah, yeah. No, sorry.

00:40.30
Andrew
iMessage.

00:40.84
Sean
iMessage. Yeah, iMessage.

00:41.87
Andrew
Yeah, yeah.

00:42.99
Sean
Noises drive me insane. Slag is okay.

00:46.20
Andrew
It's kind of like a little like bubble burst, right? It's like a bubbly thing, sounding thing.

00:52.18
Sean
Oh, mine is a ding.

00:54.12
Andrew
No, maybe maybe the bubble is something else.

00:54.20
Sean
Mine is like a shark.

00:56.16
Andrew
I don't know.

00:56.88
Sean
The bubble is like when you send a message.

00:56.97
Andrew
some Somebody. Oh, maybe. Yeah.

01:00.56
Sean
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01.36
Andrew
Yeah. Dude, did you get any sleep last night? We were chatting at like 1.30 a.m.

01:09.48
Andrew
Secret pod.

01:13.37
Sean
Yeah. I still have like three hours. It's not that bad.

01:17.44
Andrew
Man, that's so much sleep. what You must be wide awake fucking alert.

01:21.96
Sean
yeah Well, I was going to ask you if you had any sleep last night, but you know.

01:33.12
Andrew
I actually didn't fall asleep until like 3, 4 a.m., something like that.

01:33.70
Sean
Yeah,

01:38.72
Andrew
I have a new favorite Dropout show. can't you You know Dropout, right? We've talked about Dropout.tv, best streaming service the internet.

01:44.46
Sean
yeah, yeah. Yeah, college humor.

01:49.32
Andrew
on the internet

01:52.82
Sean
Oh,

01:52.96
Andrew
uh they have a it's not a new show i've but i i was finally catching up uh what is it called the parlor room where it's like a they played board comedians played board games and you watch so it's like right up my fucking alley i'm cursing a lot today sorry

02:05.75
Sean
cool.

02:07.93
Sean
Nice. It's okay. It's because don't have any sleep. I get it.

02:13.93
Sean
Unlike me, who slept a lot.

02:18.89
Andrew
uh have you ever heard of blood on the clock tower

02:21.94
Sean
No, no, no,

02:22.83
Andrew
It's like a deception game, kind of like mafia kind of vibes, but more complicated and there's, it looks really fun. The thing that makes it, I think, complicated is like the players, the roles that players get can change every time.

02:37.96
Andrew
And you, there are multiple players who can have roles where they think they're one thing, but they're actually something else. They're getting, false information.

02:44.69
Sean
no.

02:46.28
Andrew
So you can be the marionette, which is like you're controlled by like the big bad. You can be a drunk. You can also like get poisoned or something. And then there's like so there's all this stuff where you're like trying to piece things together, but you have to also consider the fact that you might have incorrect information.

03:08.46
Andrew
like the stuff you think you know about yourself might be wrong. It's chaotic as hell.

03:12.93
Sean
that's pretty cool that's pretty yeah that's pretty cool interesting okay that's it every time i hear deception game and i hear like mafia i kind of roll my eyes and internally just because i can't like there's there's just so many you know there's just so many of this like but but i think i think that's a nice that's like a

03:14.95
Andrew
Super fun. Yeah.

03:25.54
Andrew
Sure.

03:29.61
Andrew
I know.

03:35.68
Sean
an Actually, interesting spin on it.

03:35.71
Andrew
yeah Some of them are a lot better than others.

03:37.95
Sean
Yeah.

03:37.98
Andrew
like kuup is pretty fun. Secret Hitler is pretty fun. Generally I don't love deception games though because I like i hate lying, I'm a terrible liar.

03:47.70
Andrew
But my strategy is usually just to be as chao like as chaotic and suspicious as hell even when I'm not the the like person so that that way if I do get the like big bad, everyone's just like Andrew's just being Andrew, he's just an idiot.

03:55.67
Sean
I see.

04:02.77
Andrew
like Ignore him.

04:03.10
Sean
Nice. Nice.

04:05.49
Andrew
i have to like access access because i know i'm going to access when i'm uh actually in trouble

04:13.25
Sean
it's like It's like the opposite of like just always pretending you're bad at lying. So everyone thinks always telling the truth.

04:22.08
Andrew
it's kind of the same thing it's kind of the same thing right yeah

04:22.31
Sean
Anyway. you have you yeah okay anyway do you have do have a favorite game?

04:29.48
Andrew
Uh, yes, but it's like kind of niche. I think my favorite board game is Everdell.

04:33.68
Sean
OK.

04:36.62
Sean
I've heard of that.

04:36.95
Andrew
it it's It's an engine builder where you're living in like kind of like a Redwall-esque world where you've got you're playing as little forest creatures and you're building your little forest like forest kingdom machine thing.

04:51.88
Andrew
And and and it's fun because it's like you can't be that cutthroat with the other players. You're kind of playing your own game and there's a little bit of like sabotage and stuff.

04:58.23
Sean
Mm.

05:01.71
Andrew
but For someone who's very competitive, and it you know my friends tend to get pissed off at me when we play like really cutthroat games, like Settlers or you know something.

05:11.80
Sean
Gotcha.

05:13.03
Andrew
And so it's nice because it keeps keeps everybody happier. Also a big fan of, oh, what's the haunted house on the hill? Betrayal at the house on the hill.

05:25.57
Andrew
So much fun. Campy, kitschy, good vibes.

05:31.24
Sean
Nice. The PvE one doesn't sound fun at all. Just saying. As as also as Everdell.

05:37.77
Andrew
The which one?

05:40.20
Sean
like you You just completely sold me against Everdell.

05:40.57
Andrew
Everdale doesn't look fun?

05:44.60
Sean
You just told me it's four players versus environment where there's minimum of interaction between players. Yeah.

05:52.04
Andrew
I wouldn't say like there's not no interaction. Yeah, there's kind of less interaction than a lot of other lot of other games.

05:59.42
Sean
um'm I'm also very competitive with board games.

05:59.78
Andrew
i

06:01.38
Sean
We've never played board games before. We should really...

06:02.85
Andrew
No, we haven't.

06:03.43
Sean
Yeah.

06:03.59
Andrew
That would be fun.

06:04.99
Sean
Yeah,

06:06.38
Andrew
There's probably someone could play it on the pod. We could do a a board game.

06:10.63
Sean
that'd be cool.

06:10.66
Andrew
What if we like somehow invited a bunch of our nerdy internet friends and had a...

06:14.21
Sean
Dude, fuck the pod. Let's just do board games online. like let's We're pivoting.

06:16.74
Andrew
Yeah.

06:20.16
Andrew
God, that would be so much more fun. Have I told you I want to start another podcast?

06:21.94
Sean
Yeah.

06:25.74
Sean
No. You're cheating on me.

06:27.88
Andrew
I that... i think that So when I when i started Metamonster, I had this idea for a Metamonster podcast. i was going to call it Monsters of SEO and have like cool, campy, horror themed, like podcast cover art stuff.

06:35.36
Sean
Yes.

06:42.38
Sean
Yeah.

06:45.35
Andrew
like swamp monster kind of thing. And I didn't do it because one, I was like, it's time consuming. Podcasts don't really like grow that well. Like they're not actually a good way to grow an audience. They're a good way to build relationships, but not like a good way to grow an audience.

06:59.76
Andrew
And I like, don't know that many people in SEO and it's like probably just not worth the time. But I think the equation has shifted because I think, One, i know a lot more people in SEO now. So I have i have like 10 guests I can think of off the top of my head who are legitimately friends and would be interesting.

07:16.53
Andrew
There would be like an interesting through line topic we could talk about. Two, i think that, you know AI writing has gotten a lot better. And so being able to feed Claude,

07:31.46
Andrew
feedlaud a podcast transcript that is centered around a specific topic and have it generate a blog post about that topic. is draws on the expertise of someone who knows a lot more about SEO than I do. then you build some like sort of little bit of collaboration, little bit of link building magic, with them.

07:51.58
Andrew
Uh, and so I think like that would be another big benefit, And yeah, I generally am better at like kind of auditory relationship building kind of stuff anyway.

08:01.04
Sean
You should do it.

08:06.00
Andrew
So

08:07.33
Sean
Yeah, you should. did You should do it. He's our editor.

08:11.09
Andrew
yeah.

08:11.27
Sean
Yeah, he's our God tier YouTube growth guy. It's like, yeah, he's just stressed out by us now recording.

08:15.38
Andrew
Shout out Jonery.

08:19.89
Andrew
Oh my God, Jonery is so stressed by the how completely unprofessional and like useless we are. I'm so sorry, Jonery.

08:27.09
Sean
Yeah.

08:27.37
Andrew
He like, he posted in our Slack. We finally got him in, i don't know, why has he not been in our Slack channel this whole time? But we finally got him in our Slack channel and he's like, I've got a whole strategy for how we can like improve the content of small efforts.

08:42.39
Andrew
And I'm like, this is great, except that you're expecting us to to like be useful.

08:49.55
Sean
yeah

08:53.15
Andrew
The problem here is us, not you.

08:54.87
Sean
yeah yeah i think well i think you know the uh yeah i mean i think i think like he does i don't

09:04.39
Sean
How do I say this? I don't think he can, like, comprehend this idea of, like, the fact that...

09:09.36
Andrew
How useless we are.

09:09.100
Sean
like Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Like... like How much...

09:14.14
Andrew
Jennery is too productive and on top of his shit.

09:14.44
Sean
how much of...

09:16.41
Andrew
And so he's like, I can't imagine that these two guys are...

09:18.86
Sean
yeah Yeah. How much of this is a small effort? And, like...

09:28.03
Andrew
Such a goddamn misnomer, by the way. like so Building a business so rarely feels like stacking small efforts. It feels like stacking big-ass efforts that are super exhausting.

09:42.76
Sean
Yeah, it's good name. it was a good name. and Yeah, it's like my first million, you know, except we were, you know, a tiny fraction of the size and and nowhere as regular.

09:54.88
Andrew
Yeah.

09:56.52
Sean
And, Yeah, anyway, you last night you said you wanted to talk about ai things. We have 12 minutes to talk.

10:05.38
Andrew
I can probably run run a little bit over. I'll message Vanya real quick.

10:07.56
Sean
Okay.

10:10.34
Sean
Okay.

10:10.100
Andrew
I have Spanish lessons for the listeners. It's going to be five minutes late.

10:19.64
Sean
Don't you mean, I wish I knew Spanish to tell you, cinco minutes late.

10:25.82
Andrew
Okay, no see until

10:30.17
Sean
That's exactly what I said. Nice.

10:33.20
Andrew
okay so I read this really interesting piece. I might have talked about this on the last episode. I don't remember. Did we talk about Nat Eliasson and his like the crazy shenanigans he's getting up to on the last episode?

10:45.62
Sean
the The last shenan I know he was doing was the like water stuff, but it sounds like there's more.

10:54.06
Andrew
stuff

10:55.18
Sean
Yeah, didn't Nat do a whole thing about like PFAS and water and did this whole research project of like...

11:01.42
Andrew
Oh, very well might have. Yeah, yeah, that sounds right up his alley.

11:05.13
Sean
Okay, yeah.

11:05.84
Andrew
That sounds right up his alley.

11:05.89
Sean
so So he has Shenand again.

11:09.42
Andrew
Okay, so so Nat ran like an SEO agency years ago, and then he sold the agency, or he he didn't actually sell the agency, he just stepped away from it and like hired someone to take over.

11:09.52
Sean
What is he? Interesting.

11:21.20
Andrew
Amanda Natividad, I think, started off at growth machine, the agency that he started. might've even been run it for a little while.

11:26.98
Sean
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

11:28.84
Andrew
I don't remember. uh, and she may have started somewhere else, but she, she worked there briefly. and, uh, then he like was doing content production or not content product. Like he was writing content. He was writing on the internet, blogging, newslettering,

11:48.24
Andrew
was involved in like the early days of every before they were AI focused, got really into crypto for a while, wrote a book called Crypto Confidential. Really interesting guy, he's done a bunch of stuff.

12:00.50
Andrew
His latest thing is he has gotten really into AI development and he set up an open claw agent and gave it a crypto wallet and set it up is trying to set it up as autonomously as possible to like run its own business.

12:20.10
Andrew
And it is currently, I think it's currently made like $80,000 in the last like six weeks or something like that.

12:23.25
Sean
Mm-hmm.

12:27.64
Andrew
It wrote, the majority of that I believe has come from a PDF that it wrote on how to build an agent like it. It was like, here's how to build me.

12:37.53
Andrew
And then they've built like a marketplace together and a, and stuff And then there's also like, like someone spun up, uh, uh, the agent's name is Felix and someone spun up a, uh, Felix coin in like the crypto world.

12:52.06
Andrew
And so now Felix also has like, know, some crazy amount of, uh, let's see, I can pull up the dashboard, Felix craft.ai slash dashboard.

12:57.70
Sean
Mm-hmm.

13:05.20
Andrew
Revenue 30 days, that has come from on the marketplace. And then it's currently sitting what looks like $230,000 worth of crypto.

13:20.12
Andrew
twenty six thousand has come from like its template on the marketplace and then it's currently sitting on what looks like two hundred and thirty thousand dollars worth of crypto

13:39.02
Sean
I'm quitting the podcast.

13:42.51
Andrew
A lot of this, I think, has been seeded by Nat's audience. And you know he's he's promoting Felix as being like you know the CEO, and an agent that's the CEO of its own business.

13:46.35
Sean
Sure. Sure.

13:54.56
Andrew
I think Nat still rubber stamps everything. like hes still Everything runs through him. So it's not like fully 100% autonomous. He's still approving most things.

14:04.35
Sean
Sure, and there's also, I mean, I'm assuming like, you know, he's borrowing Nat's distribution, right You know, like, yeah.

14:12.22
Andrew
Yeah.

14:13.05
Sean
13K.

14:13.14
Andrew
Although he has his own Twitter account and he's now like, I'd be willing. Let's see how many followers he has.

14:22.01
Andrew
Felixcraft.ai has 13k followers.

14:22.20
Sean
Wow. thirteen k

14:25.88
Andrew
Yeah. And people actually engage with him. i've it's It's wild. Like Nat is pushing the edges of this stuff and it's fascinating to watch. It's like,

14:37.69
Andrew
But the reason I bring all this up, I got i went down a deep rabbit hole of Felix a couple weeks ago and like got was just fascinated by it.

14:43.18
Sean
Mm-hmm.

14:46.87
Andrew
and just from Purely from like a technological standpoint, just like this is fascinating to see someone pushing the edges like this. But Nat wrote a really interesting blog post talking about like like design paradigms with AI agents.

15:04.35
Andrew
And the specific thing that he was highlighting, the problem he was highlighting, is that everyone's adding agentic features into their products.

15:12.41
Sean
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

15:13.56
Andrew
Most of those agents kind of suck because they don't have any of your context. So you spend all this time building contacts over here in Claude, over here in your Claude bot, Notion, whatever, and like and then you log into Salesforce and use the Salesforce agent or whatever. And it like knows nothing about you other than what is in Salesforce.

15:37.85
Andrew
And it's just so it ends up being kind of clunky. Like AI is at this point is only as good as the like context you give it and the, you know, you the sort of boundaries you set up for it.

15:47.63
Sean
Sure. Sure.

15:51.23
Andrew
And so his proposal, like his vision of the future is that everyone's going to have a personal agent and software will shift to bring your own agent. So instead of logging into Salesforce and using the Salesforce agent or using some third party agent, you will have your own personal agent that will follow you around from place to place and like do whatever work you do and, you know,

16:19.00
Andrew
carry your context with you, which I think is really fascinating. think we're a ways, I mean, it's so hard saying we're a ways off of anything these days is like, is like setting yourself up to look like an idiot because like shit's just moving so fast.

16:32.80
Sean
Yeah, give it like three days as a YC company that launches with exactly this, you know.

16:36.67
Andrew
Yeah. And there's so many people launching these, like one click set up, cloud bot kind of things. I don't know how good they are. I i want to one of my to do's,

16:47.19
Sean
Well, I saw you had a bookmark tab that said My Claw. Oh. Gotcha. Gotcha.

16:50.87
Andrew
Yeah, yeah, I haven't i haven't i haven't actually, i bookmarked it so that I would come back to it. I haven't set it up yet. But like one of the things I want to start doing is like pushing myself to like try some of this new tech. I spent a decent bit of time with co-work yesterday and with Notion agents, and so I'm trying, want to try a bunch of this stuff out and like figure out what's useful and what's not.

17:11.59
Andrew
but i thought this was really interesting this just from a product design standpoint like if we put our product hats on to think about like bring your own agent like personal agents as as kind of the future i think there's another possibility in that i've been thinking about a lot which is like haven't seen anyone do this i'm sure someone's working on it but like it feels like you know, we you might wanna make your context portable. like

17:46.42
Andrew
So rather than having your context live inside of a personal agent, another way you could do it is you could have like sort of the context system that lives in the cloud somewhere, has an MCP or has some sort of integration capability,

18:03.92
Andrew
And then whatever product you log into, you just plug it into your context. Because like, you know, the context is really what shapes these agents. It's not the the context and the tooling are kind of what shaped the agent. It's not the, like the LLM itself.

18:23.18
Andrew
And so I could see a world where it also makes sense to just like have, you know, your own little system of record. And this is why I think like Notion and Salesforce even, and like some of these old school companies, if they can move fast enough or actually ended in at an advantage, because they already have so much context.

18:45.99
Andrew
The systems of record have, are the places where they've, where people have been storing their business context for years.

18:51.58
Sean
Well, I think this the advantage Salesforce has is the Slack part, right?

18:56.37
Sean
It's like having...

18:58.75
Andrew
I don't actually, yes, having deep integration into Slack, but Slack's struggling to actually like you operationalize that, it seems.

19:10.36
Sean
Sure.

19:10.73
Sean
Hmm.

19:11.51
Andrew
But like I think, like yes, the communication platform is one advantage. You know, Facebook has WhatsApp and Messenger. You know, Telegram is, I guess, open source. I don't don't know who owns Telegram.

19:28.50
Andrew
But I think the other thing is, like, just the amount of data and information that they have on your business.

19:37.62
Andrew
like Like, you know, I haven't... I've been trying to, like, set up co-work. so that I'm like syncing things between Google Drive and CoWork and stuff.

19:48.40
Andrew
And it, like, CoWork works best locally, but like I haven't worked locally on my computer in years. Like I don't store many files locally other than like code.

19:57.45
Sean
Yeah.

20:01.02
Andrew
I don't and don't really like, and so it it feels like I'm going back to like, and when I don't know, like 2012, like setting up a Google Drive sync between my local machine and my like cloud.

20:01.39
Sean
Right.

20:12.56
Sean
Yeah. yeah

20:13.36
Andrew
cloud drive, it just feels like kind of antiquated versus like building an agent inside of Notion. It was like, yeah, Notion's where I've been storing everything Metamonster for ages anyway.

20:27.41
Sean
this isn't like bring your own agent right this is like build your agent okay two different things okay gotcha

20:29.93
Andrew
No, no, I'm kind of talking about, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about portable context and like Yeah, so bring your own agent is like you you get all of the context into the agent and then take your agent with you.

20:43.24
Andrew
Portable context doesn't really exist right now, but like the closest thing we have to portable context is systems of record, Notions, Basecams, ClickUps, Salesforce's, HubSpots, you know, these places that where companies have dumped all of their data.

20:50.42
Sean
hmm

20:59.87
Andrew
and like And so building agents inside of those allows you to like take advantage of all the context that's already there. So it's like kind of three different ideas.

21:09.75
Andrew
There's like bring your own agent. There's like agent you know the the agents inside of systems of record and like being able to leverage the context that's already there.

21:15.11
Sean
specialized agents and

21:21.43
Andrew
And then maybe there's there could be a paradigm of like portable context.

21:26.62
Sean
Yeah, I mean, i think i think it's like, I think these this is like a staircase sort of thing, right?

21:26.62
Andrew
Yeah.

21:51.00
Sean
I'm with you. Yeah. and Yeah, I mean, it's cool. I feel like i feel like that's where we're going. I feel like every single day we just get

22:00.04
Andrew
Which one do you see? do you do you think the personal agent thing, like, does that resonate with you the most? Like, where where do you see, like, this going?

22:07.21
Sean
I think every single day we go we get closer and closer to Mega Man. she excuse you

22:13.30
Andrew
okay.

22:14.70
Sean
ever You know, that's like my first tweet ever is like like essentially Mega Man is the future. Yeah, I mean, I think like you...

22:25.69
Sean
there was There was a while where I like i went into like a manic episode of like what if we just like start building character creators for agents that you can like customize your own little like avatar.

22:33.98
Andrew
That's fine.

22:34.94
Sean
so that like you know Because so everyone's going to have an emotion like it like a personal agent, you build an emotional attachment to it. You want it to you know reflect whatever you have this character.

22:44.97
Sean
And when you said portable context, is like that just sounds like the little chips you stick in your Mega Man phone to like give it superpowers or let it do things.

22:55.21
Andrew
That's super cool. My friend Tony just did this thing. He vibed up a little project for some of his consulting clients where he takes all of like your website's content and visualizes it as a town.

23:16.30
Andrew
as like a SimCity-esque town. So instead of looking at things like a Screaming Frog, you know, a content map, like content cluster map, he builds like towns, like buildings around around like content pillars and and stuff, which is super weird and fun and wacky.

23:25.25
Sean
Right. cool. Cool.

23:37.59
Sean
Yeah, I just saw a, it's one of the indie hackers, forget his name. He's the guy who does CodeFast and DataFast and TrustMMR. He like has has like his DataFast Analytics, like Google Analytics competitive competitor.

23:51.74
Sean
And there's like a there's what you just said, but it's like an office built, like a Severance office building where like user traffic like goes in goes and walks into different rooms depending on which pages people visit.

24:01.08
Andrew
That's fun.

24:02.57
Sean
Yeah. yeah man it's so cool it's so cool and i just i want to quit everything and just do this stuff and fuck around yeah had this is like the time to go and like fuck around and find out you know and just

24:12.64
Andrew
Just wanna build, fuck around and build build weird shit and see what happens.

24:21.73
Andrew
i am I am right there. I am

24:24.38
Sean
yeah

24:25.50
Andrew
not taking on any consulting work for the next four months. I am officially in my fuck around and find out era.

24:30.83
Sean
Yeah, yeah.

24:32.43
Sean
I'm so jealous. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

24:41.26
Sean
It's it's this whole like thought about like what like the agentic features that like stuff is also sort of contributed to like I don't know what to do with It's not that I don't know what to do with Miscereents.

24:55.55
Sean
There's just a lot of thoughts about what the future of Miscereents looks like. And also so even like the immediate sort of thing is the fact that, you know, our work is going to get commoditized by, know, by agents.

25:00.90
Andrew
Yeah.

25:13.06
Sean
like vibe coding is a very real like vibe coding your marketing is a very real sort of thing like the feedback we get from VCs is like yeah for like the siege stage companies like you guys do like crazy like awesome work for these companies but I would rather have a slick looking site in three days following a template and it just looks clean.

25:36.87
Sean
And then rather than, you know, two months to like do this whole process, because they could just do it for their series A. think it's a fair point. We're also like playing around with like all that for like product design work.

25:53.40
Sean
But then also, you know, it's just like what,

25:57.71
Sean
like what can we be replacing with ai and also who on the team should be using it slash not using it like there's also like separately thought of like

26:14.28
Sean
like I have a problem with the juniors or mids using it because if it's like if Claude can produce or Claude or Chajuid can produce work better than you can quality wise, that's a problem, you know?

26:28.49
Andrew
Yeah, you need you need to put the time and effort in to develop your taste and and everything.

26:32.94
Sean
Yeah. Yeah.

26:34.17
Andrew
It's super interesting because like on the one hand agencies, it feels like agencies are under attack almost like are under threat of like, but at the same time, it kind of feels like the best time ever to start an agency because if you can figure out how to

26:43.31
Sean
Hmm.

26:54.07
Andrew
AI pill your agency, I hate that I just said that, but if you can figure out like the right balance of like human and ai you can build, i think a really efficient, really profitable agency that can do really fascinating work at, you know, at cool, at impressive speeds and stuff.

27:00.55
Sean
Yeah.

27:11.71
Sean
Yeah.

27:15.63
Sean
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a great time to build like a productized service type of agency for exactly that reason. You know, like you can start to.

27:21.90
Andrew
but maybe not even a productized service.

27:23.72
Sean
Oh, really?

27:23.94
Andrew
Like, yes, like a tech enabled service, but I also think like this stuff could let you go like like deeper on like really custom high-end feeling stuff.

27:35.63
Andrew
Like like Tony doing strategy consulting work and building a content town as like a wacky experiment.

27:36.32
Sean
Yeah.

27:46.72
Andrew
You know,

27:49.80
Andrew
yeah. And maybe maybe you could, maybe it's both. Maybe it's like a productized offering that lets you, but like, yeah.

27:58.43
Sean
I it just depends on how, what, which AI pill you want to like, like, like there's, there's a version of running an agency where you then start selling agents as like a product as well.

28:09.27
Sean
Right. Like we could be a brand agency that sells like,

28:11.38
Andrew
Yeah.

28:14.35
Sean
an agent that's trained up on your brand and voice and tone. And that's one of the deliverables as well, which we've had a couple of clients start to ask like, hey, can you give us like AI prompts and whatever so that you know we can take this further without having to like you know ping you or whatever, which is like a fun challenge in its own and its own right. But

28:36.37
Andrew
Cool.

28:37.18
Sean
You have to go.

28:38.39
Andrew
Yeah, I probably got to get a bounce.

28:39.03
Sean
i

28:40.19
Andrew
I got to get in my Spanish class, but i I want to dig into this more. Next next episode, we should talk more about like the future of miscarriage and brainstorm and and stuff and and then talk to

28:51.65
Sean
The future of Miscrains is to shut it down and restart and just build. cool Everyone on the team he stays here, but all their entire job is to fuck around and find out. And we have all our runway left to figure it out. So

29:10.32
Andrew
It's an option.

29:11.90
Sean
and that's not going to do it. But i've I've considered it. I've considered it many times this week. So yeah.

29:18.66
Andrew
It's an option. It's always an option. All right, man.

29:22.78
Sean
Cool. Enjoy Spanish class.

29:23.55
Andrew
Good short little episode.

29:24.93
Sean
Yeah. I'll see you later. Peace.

29:26.77
Andrew
Talk soon.

29:27.46
Sean
Bye.

29:27.58
Andrew
Peace.